Bohriis
90 Tauren Warrior
Lomani Division
9250


I am a heavy oqueue user and enjoy it immensely, however, recently there has been a serious downgrade in it's effectiveness. Since v1.1.4 came out the button that we have been using to queue hasn't worked and until recently we have all thought that this was some unintentional consequence of the programing or a blizz induced fix. I have heard recently though that it is an intentional fix by it's creator, Tiny.

I'm starting this post to ask Tiny to clarify to all of us what has happened to the button. Obviously, this is your addon and you may do with it what you choose and it is still a wonderful addon, but there seems to be alot of confusion as to why it's not working like it had been before v1.1.4 I for one feel that this change seriously inhibits our ability to queue multiple groups, forceing us to use vent countdowns. I've been vent queueing for years before oqueue so this is no more than a minor pain in the !@# but I would definitely like to hear a word from Tiny about the state of oqueue today.

i would appreciate any input you have Tiny.

Just to add a little on this, while I'd love to see the button just be an option that you can activate, it is very understandable that Tiny wanted to remove it.

In the last few weeks before he removed the button, everyone was having huge lag issues with BNet, and this would unsync queues using the button, which would end up in a pretty high queue fail rate.

Using vent countdowns pretty much removes that risk of buttons popping way late because of BNet being crappy while keeping the maintenance of the addon easier, reducing BNet traffic and give less reasons to Blizz to hate on OQ.

One thing I'd like to know however (maybe you could ask Tiny, Weanii, since I never seem to be able to catch him), is if the lag between party leaders is included in the queue delays ?

For instance, say lag between G1 and G2 leaders is 1.00 second. Queue pops, and shows a 1.5 sec delay between queues. Did the queues really popped 1.5 sec apart or is it really .5 sec because of the lag between groups ?

Thanks

There are several addons that I can download to change how my UI looks and interacts with me. Seems strange that this would be a sticking point with blizzard imo. Was there anything specific said about it or is it just a preemptive change?

The leave queue button is still there. I think the issue is less about moving buttons and more about making it harder for multiple groups to queue for the same (non RBG) battleground. I think there may be a tacit agreement between Tiny and Blizz to promote the grouping aspect while downplaying the multi group queueing for regular battlegrounds. As I have said before, this is Tiny's addon and he may do with it what he wishes, but I would like some clarification on his intent with the latest change. Thank you for your input Weanii but I would like to hear from The Creator.

I'm not saying he owes me anything. It would be nice though.

How do we feel about appeasing bizzard now? We were far better off when we were underground. Recruitment was done by word of mouth through friends not just thrown out to the masses. I remember TIny in the beginning always telling us that blizz and bnet were trash and telling us how bad their programming was. Alot of his following sprouted from that rebel spirit. That spirit seems gone and we whine on the forums about "bots and bads" and copyright infringement. That's what you get when you stop fighting the power and start trying to work with them. F blizz. F bnet. Lets just play the game WE want.

Looking back at your previous posts you keep stating "US" and "WE". This 'far better off when we were underground' elitist mentality isn't appealing to anyone and it makes me kinda sad that this is how you're depicting the older users of this fantastic addon. And you weren't around from the start or you would in fact know the 2 bottom line reasons for the creation of this addon, was to queue boxers easier ( since PAV queued every character seperate) and to eliminate bots. Everything else after that was just that, and after thought. Please do not twist it to things you think its about than the actual facts. It was always intended for EVERYONE. No one is better than the other, no one deserves it more than the other. It was never a rebel thing that just his personal beliefs that you personally assumed was the reason for the addon, and if that's what lured you in, i'm sorry for the misunderstanding. The only time 'copyright infringment' was ever brought up was to another player for in fact threatening Tiny saying they will take and overwrite oQueue. Zero to do with "fight the power" just disgruntled players and lacky support of the community biting the hand that fed them this experience. [/quote]

WE meaning ME have been using oqueue since near the beginning (I started in July of last year). IF it was designed to aid multiboxers in queueing then I would say it has failed. I've only known TWO multiboxers to use it and THOUSANDS of singles to use it. If Tiny developed this addon solely to cater to multiboxers then that ideology has CERTAINLY been surpassed by its use for single queuers. It makes me VERY sad that you have this mistaken idea about what oqueue has BECOME. Tiny multiboxes, and that not even regularly. The afterthought has become the driving force behind the addon whether you realize it or not.The rest of US just use it to find people with a similar mentality who wish to focus on PvP. That's what I thought it was about since the beginning, right or wrong.

I have done little else in WoW in the last six months than to play, think and write on oqueue and while i realize that doesn't earn me any particular esteem I would like to think that I have some credibility in expressing opinions about it. WE don't multibox, most of US don't care a whole hell of a lot about the random BOT that we have in a bg because IT IS NOT that prevalent.

I've never claimed to be an elitist but I used to think I was part of something special. Maybe not honorable or "right" but something only a select few (100k out of 10Million) were a part of. While I appreciate the idea that "anybody" can join I still think that it's better for those random anybody's to do the work to find out about oqueue and learn INDEPENDENTLY how it works and how it can work for them. "The masses" have always been something that WE have railed against, the dipshit pugs in randoms than we had to endure in order to farm our gear. Oqueue helped us step above the pugs...to coordinate with others who were sick of the bullshit...and to win.

I think you may be stuck in the past. The way back. I would love for TINY to add his thoughts to this discussion and not just have his mouthpiece school me on the originating principle of the addon. Please feel free NOT to post on every comment that anyone ever posts, Weanii. You could just let this post die. I'm starting to think that "Weanii" is the passive aggressive alter ego of Tiny. Like it or not TINY has this tiger by the tail and HE alone needs to decide what to do with it in the future. And it would be nice if he let US all know what the hell he plans to do about it.

P.S. Thank you for reinstating the button. Even though it's probably based on Tiny's enmity for Blizz's latest fix to /follow in bgs. I can respect that.